Question: Who's Afraid of Hillary Clinton?

Submitted by Stephanie Cannon on August 14, 2006 - 10:31pm.

Answer: Just about everyone, apparently.

Here's another inexplicable case of progressive, anti-war Democrats making an exception for the hawkish centrist Hillary Clinton. In today's Counterpunch, discussing the Lamont victory, Norman Solomon asks, "will MoveOn now poll its membership in New York about whether to make an endorsement in the Clinton vs. Tasini race?"

Eli Pariser's answer sounds rather familiar. "Threshold" is the new buzzword in New York politics. Robert Hardt at NY1 seems to have started a trend.

August 14, 2006
How MoveOn Finesses the War on Her Behalf
Who's Afraid of Hillary Clinton?
By NORMAN SOLOMON

The leading pro-war Democrat in the Senate is hoping for a landslide in the New York primary next month. And unless progressives quickly mobilize to dent her vote total, she's likely to get it.

Hillary Clinton, of course, intends to be the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008. But first there's her quest to win big for reelection. If antiwar voters cut into Clinton's percentage in the primary on Sept. 12, despite overwhelming media visibility and a massive campaign war chest, her momentum would take a hit.

After Sen. Joe Lieberman lost to antiwar challenger Ned Lamont in Connecticut's Democratic primary last week, I thought some more about the fast-approaching Senate race in New York, where anti-war candidate Jonathan Tasini will be on the ballot next to Clinton.

Tasini, a former president of the National Writers Union, is more strongly and consistently antiwar than Lamont. And Tasini is an all-around progressive on issues from trade to economic justice to health care to the Middle East. But his campaign is underfunded. In contrast, the very wealthy Lamont self-financed his campaign with a few million dollars.

One of the biggest boosts to Lamont's primary campaign came from MoveOn.org, which polled its membership in Connecticut and found a large majority in favor of endorsing Lamont. The MoveOn endorsement brought more funding and people-power energy to the campaign against Lieberman.

MoveOn members helped to invigorate that campaign, as they have strengthened so many other grassroots efforts in recent years. And MoveOn's leaders have earned respect for their far-sighted work on building a powerful nationwide organization.

Today, this question hangs in the air: Will MoveOn now poll its membership in New York about whether to make an endorsement in the Clinton vs. Tasini race?

I put the question to the executive director of the MoveOn.org political action committee, Eli Pariser. Here's his full reply: "We focus on the issues and candidates our members are excited about. We've heard almost nothing from MoveOn members on Tasini -- New York MoveOn members are more focused on winning back Congress, ending the war on Iraq, and Ned Lamont. As for our formal endorsement process, that's triggered where there are two viable candidates and where there's a baseline of interest from our members. Right now, this one doesn't meet that second threshold."

But the only reliable way to find out how interested New York members of MoveOn would be in a Clinton-or-Tasini endorsement is to ask them. And, evidently, that's a question that the people in charge of MoveOn.org don't want to ask.

On the issue of Clinton vs. Tasini, the current MoveOn stance comes across as a way for its leaders to make sure that MoveOn members in New York don't get to respond to a poll that would likely result in an endorsement of Tasini.

Perhaps there's a belief that an electoral confrontation with Hillary Clinton should be left for the 2008 campaign. But it's been apparent for a long while that she has a proven commitment to triangulation, militarism and opportunism. She can't be stopped in this year's primary, but progressives may well pay later for a failure to slow her momentum now.

Progressive Democrats of America is supporting Jonathan Tasini in his race against Clinton. The group's executive director, Tim Carpenter, says that "New York members of PDA speak highly of Jonathan and his courage in speaking out for a more effective approach to resolving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and an end to the occupation of Iraq."

Perhaps MoveOn leaders have been impressed by Hillary Clinton's statements that Donald Rumsfeld should resign. That would not be astute. Quite a few pro-war voices have been raised against Rumsfeld while complaining about how the war has been managed -- as if there were a proper way to carry out this illegal, destabilizing war.

Tactical critiques of war management are standard ways that politicians keep wars going while they give superficial nods to voters' frustration and anger. Those kinds of rhetorical maneuvers went on for the last several years of the war in Vietnam, while the death toll mounted at the same time that polls showed most Americans had turned against the war. These days, Hillary Clinton must be very appreciative that MoveOn is helping her to finesse the war in Iraq while she continues to support it.



Submitted by John Francis Lee (not registered) on August 14, 2006 - 11:26pm.

The Demoplican Party is corrupt. That's not a surprise, I hope.

MoveOn, Kos, and these other "big time" Demoplican peripherals are corrupt too.

Once the money starts rolling it's only a matter of time. The folks at MoveOn have mortgages to pay too, you know. And the line of work they've chosen is Demoplican promotion.

Don't look for friends among those invested in the status quo.

Submitted by liberal elite (not registered) on August 15, 2006 - 11:14am.

NY 1 was bad enough, but it's a slap in the face to Democrats and progressives to have MoveOn fail to poll their constituents. Obviously, like Time Warner, MoveOn made some kind of decision on behalf of their members that they were going to endorse Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary for US Senator from New York.

They are supporting Hillary Clinton without regard to the issues (the war, the environment, campaign finance reform, etc ...) and without letting their constituents weigh in on the selection.

Just like NY1, MoveOn is pre-selecting our Senate candidate based on celebrity, money and, more than likely, some backroom deal.

So, just when we thought we were ready to emerge into a new era of people driven politics, along comes Hillary Clinton with Time Warner and MoveOn in tow, to trample under any budding prospects for growing a grass roots movement in democracy of popular participation and representation.

Norman Solomon is once again ahead of the curve, telling it like it is and cutting through the dust and deception of high finance "new Democrat" politics.

Submitted by Creeping Truth (not registered) on August 15, 2006 - 1:46pm.

Solomon has it exactly right. Bill and Hillary are now out to fool us. Their latest claim is that Hillary was shocked -- SHOCKED -- that Bush abused the fall 2002 war authorization she gave him. She says she understood his plan was to get inspectors into Iraq so they could learn the truth about WMD. She says Rice assured her this was the plan.

Rice's office denies this, but it doesn't matter. It was clear enough post-authorization that Bush was bent on war come what may and that he had been given too blank a check. Bush was dragged into the UN. He, Cheney and Rice were whooping up a war frenzy with misstatements anyone with an ounce of sense could see through or at the very least look askance at. Hillary's claim that she was bamboozled shows only that she is either gullible or thinks that we are. George Romney's comment "I was brainwashed" disqualified him from the presidency. Why dumb things down?

But let's say she WAS gulled. Still, she has no out. It was clear prewar that Bush was pulling the inspectors and rushing things for fear they would rob him of a casus belli. It was in this time frame that Russ Feingold introduced a resolution to modify the 2002 blank check. Had it passed it would have upped the ante, requiring Bush to make more detailed certifications about the wisdom of taking us to war before doing so.

Had Bush been put to Russ's test we likely would never have gone to war. They could only have been falsely or recklessly answered, and that would have led to his impeachment by summary judgment. Sadly, the questions were all the ones that got asked and answered too late, in the debacle's aftermath. Yet even at the time a sensible person could see they were all the right ones to ask.

Had Hillary wanted to let the inspectors finish their work, she would have cosponsored the resolution. Instead she bayed safely within the jackal pack. There is no excuse for this, and I for one will never forget that telling moment. None of us should!

Too many politicians and pundits in this nation have let themselves be the Bush administration's useful idiots. Common folk are crushed under the consequences of this betrayal. I see no reason to trade one master for another. We all know this, and moveon.org should too. There's going to be hell to pay when the history of these times is written.

Let's not throw in with a "kinder, gentler" version of such "leadership." An Israeli military analyst, the only foreigner who is mandatory reading in military circles, holds the Iraq war to be the stupidest one launched in two millennia.

Earth to moveon.org: It's the war, stupid!

Submitted by Stephanie Cannon on August 16, 2006 - 12:02am.

Great post, thanks. And lest anyone forget, 23 of our senators were able to discern fact from fiction when they cast their votes on the IWR. Clinton's telling us she could not?

IWR Nay Votes

Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

Submitted by Kenneth Wampler (not registered) on August 15, 2006 - 2:59pm.

MoveOn needs to seriously consider whether or not they will throw their support behind the anti-war candidate Jonathan Tasini. Whether they do or not, which I think they should, should not effect their stance on Hilary Clinton. They should not support her in any way. She is a hawk, and has voted for the war and its continuation. It's almost as if she too holds shares in Halliburton. MoveOn is supposed to represent certain core values. Must these values be subverted and corrupted by America's second most corrupting political empire?

I can certainly say that MoveOn will lose me if they choose her.

Submitted by Greg (not registered) on August 16, 2006 - 4:37pm.

Move On has lost all credibility with this Voter. (Me)

With the hundreds of emails I have recieved from them, and now they are too blacklisting Jonathan Tasini, all I can say is...

Eli... you are a FRAUD.

Submitted by Downtown guy (not registered) on August 16, 2006 - 9:02pm.

I tried to email MoveOn to tell them we want some action on Tasini, but this 'democratic' organization has no way on their website to do that. I'll never give them a dime again.

Submitted by Anonymous (not registered) on August 17, 2006 - 2:52am.

Clinton's truly brilliant speech on the Senate floor when voting on the 2002 Iraq war authorization? I do. I listened spellbound: the speech was tightly reasoned, passionate, deeply worried at the rush to war. I held my breath: I thought, my God, she's going to vote against! Hooray for Hillary! Hooray for the anti-war folks (of which I was and still am one), we've got the strongest possible ally!
And then I got hit with the worst case of cognitive dissonance I've ever experienced: she wound it all up in one sentence. She said, "And so, because I saw the horrors of 9/11, I am voting for the authorization."
Don't be fooled! Don't be fooled! She knew EXACTLY what she was doing, pandering, first of all, to 9/11 fear, second that she would be allying with the putative "winner" of the war in Bush, that she had been told (as had they all) EXACTLY what it would entail--a quick bloody strike, like Bushwar 1, then out--and she thought she could get away with her vote for, because it would be over before anybody would or could question it. The Rice "betrayal" is spin. She voted for the war because it was expedient for her politically: new to NY, still the newcomer junior senator, learning the ropes...Everything else that she has said since pales to that most awesome piece of early triangulation.
We forget this because...we forget. Other people I talked to who heard the speech said the same thing: that their jaws dropped when she said she'd vote for the war. After all that gorgeous rhetoric...I was fooled. But only for a minute. And never again. And I have a long memory.

Submitted by Tasini+MoveOnSupporter (not registered) on August 18, 2006 - 4:02pm.

Go to www.MoveOn.org and click on contact - general comments - it will bring you to their "forum" where new ideas are presented and voted upon. There are numerous Tasini supporters and comments in support of Tasini, and YOU can vote them up, to make them higher priorities for MoveOn! Currently, out of thousands of comments, support for Tasini is #8 in popularity! Stop complaining and DO something about it. Vote for Tasini at MoveOn's website now and you'll definitely see more votes for him in the primary! We need to work together if we're going to succeed in pushing Tasini's campaign past the tipping point.

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